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Workforces and workplaces: how leaders can prepare for the future of work

Salary and hiring trends Workforce transformation The future of work Diversity Equity and Inclusion Thought leadership Video Remote working Management and leadership Article Retention Research and insights Opening words from Beth Rigby okay I got my good morning everyone oh God that's loud that's really loud for half eight isn't it good morning if everyone can um take a seat when you're ready because we're gonna kick off because we've got a lot a lot to get through um thanks for being here my name is Beth Rigby I'm the political editor at Sky News uh we're talking about work I've been doing a lot of it lately um uh three new prime ministers in four months is not the normal order of Affairs and in fact the Collins Dictionary has made Perma crisis uh the word of 2022 so I'm hoping that 2023 uh will be an invisible bit calmer because honestly police clutch is only meant to do the Handover of power once every five years but anyway um thank you so much uh for coming uh this morning I'm so pleased that you can be here with Robert Half um I know we've all become comfortable with working from home so it's really nice that you all got here suited and booted by half eight um we're gonna we're gonna close by 10 am so we've got great speakers we've got lots to get through and we're here in this Temple of Commerce this is the former Lloyd's bank branch and we're here to explore as you know the future of work and in some ways the future of work's already here isn't it because we've evolved haven't we in the conversation from uh where should we be working I do we work at home do we work I work on Zoom quite a lot but I always get kicked out at 45 minutes because I never paid for the upgrade which is really unprofessional to me I know um but how you know how do we work from home and support and enable people and certainly at Sky News it doesn't really apply to me because I actually physically have to be on the tele box but lots of my colleagues they do work from home and when I do get to work from home if you occasionally see me on that Zoom connection that's about to drop out normally um I am wearing my tracksuit bottoms uh and actually I'll tell you the the the worst recent working from home experience for me was um on the Sunday night that Boris Johnson decided he was not going to run for leaders so the Friday he'd flown back from Barbados it was all building was he going to get the hundred um it was half term and my family would go into Center Parks without me because uh we now had Handover of power so I was back in London and I'd left my phone upstairs for I don't know two minutes just parted with it just for two minutes I was packing the kids stuff and I went back upstairs and um my phone's going mental and it's now just gone nine o'clock and Boris Johnson just put out a statement saying he was um not going to uh stand for leader and it was my news desk they wanted to do a phone now now phono is when they put your face on the screen and they just call you up and you go live on telly and you chat and I am literally in my pajamas my hair is like a nest I've got my glasses on I mean I look Dreadful so I do this phono for like 20 minutes on why Boris Johnson isn't I'm sort of totally ad-living like what's happening people as I go along to try and get more information and I finished this at 20 to 10 right 10 o'clock new right 20 to 10. I'm like oh that was quite stressful right okay let's carry and then the output editor who runs the 10 o'clock news then foamy went do you mind doing a zoom bath at 10 p.m I'm like what it's like do you mind doing a zoo I was like Chris do you know what it requires for a woman to be on camera also so basically I I did do that so I had my pajamas on I put a jumper on I straightened the front of my hair so that that was still I put some lipstick on and somehow we got this uh working from home live at 10 done and apparently it was a Triumph I don't know if it was but I don't normally get I'm I'm gonna take up the whole session I should really need to go I don't normally get to work from home but lots of people do and in terms of the future of work organizations are becoming quite uh employee obsessed particularly in a quite a tight labor market how do you retain your talent so what are we going to cover this morning um fastly we're going to have a fantastic keynote speech from Fiona uh hathorne not only an advisor a non-exec director but a founder of a movement to support women with their career progression to UK boardrooms then we're going to have four practitioners and thinkers on the future of work each bringing their own perspectives and learnings about what makes uh good people leaders how do you keep people in your business how do you motivate them and how do you retain key staff um so we're gonna have a good discussion about that which I'll moderate and hopefully you can take some learnings uh back to your colleagues and back to your employees so that's the agenda I've taught for too long so it's going to overrun which is typical of me so I'm sorry um but fast up before we do all of that can we please welcome onto the stage Chris Lawton he's the regional manager director at Robert Half here in London he's going to tell you a little bit about the operation and the hiring trends that will matter in 2023 Chris thank you thank you thank you Beth so uh good morning everyone and thank you for Robert Half introduction by Chris Lawton making the effort to come and be with us today great venue as Beth said so we're really excited to see you all in person because uh it has been a while and I did manage to put my suit Traders on and not my job yesterday so so we're all we're all good um I think the last few years have been a real challenge for us um we've seen lots of change uh pre-covered we went from 20 physical offices across the UK to 300 home offices overnight we did a great job with that um we continue to thrive and grow and as we came out of covid uh we're set fair for great things in the future so we hats off to everyone at on behalf for the job that we did um but we did need to adapt and change the way that we did business uh we needed to be agile and think about the way that we work and more importantly we needed to learn new ways of leading in in the ever-changing world we're at a conference uh recently where I heard someone say something that resonated with me we talk about the war for talent and some of you may have heard the war for talent what a person that we were speaking to said that Talent one um and that War is Over which I thought was was interesting so um the mission at Robert Half hasn't changed though so it's about for us finding meaningful and purposeful work for our candidates it's about finding great talent for you our clients to continue to grow your business as well as ensuring that Robert Half is a great place for our people to thrive um so that's all what we're here for so I wanted to also just welcome productivity so Peter Richton who's on the panel with some creativity and we've got a few other Representatives so productivity or a management consultancy business a sister company of Robert Half they're a billion dollar company within their own right um they specifically deal with business process Improvement internal audit risking compliance and Technology Consulting um they basically try to to get businesses to face the future with confidence so given that's what their their purpose is I thought that's very apt for what we're trying to do today also I mentioned 23 2023 is a great year for Robert Half we are 50 years young which is a mastering that we're really proud of so we will celebrate uh what we've done in the last 50 years over the next year as well as plan for what we see the future for us um which we know is really exciting and we're looking forward to what the what that brings um for for now I think the next thing to talk about is the hiring trends that we see for 2023 we've got a short video to show you which hopefully will set a backdrop for everyone and the discussions that we're about to have so if you could run VT please always want to say that [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] thank you foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] thank you some interesting stats there uh before I forget actually I know Charlie Grubb and Layla tindor in the house so uh Leila and Charlie head up our executive search business so I thought I'd just give them a shout out for those of you that don't uh that don't know that Robert Half is in exact search um we definitely are so give us a wave Layla Charlie seek the night after if you need to um without further Ado I will not ever run because I do not have any funny stories about presenting to the globe with dodgy hair so uh nothing so amusing from me so without further Ado I'll pass to Fiona hathorn CEO of founder of women on boards foreign Fiona Hathorn's keynote on equality in the workplace well good morning uh delighted to be here today and there were some fantastic data and messages from that slide I thought the interview questions was very interesting as well um I think this is a bit of does that sound all right right I want to talk to you about Equity equality diversity and inclusion because leadership matters and everyone in this room today wants to be treated like an individual it's the Netflix model of leadership if you turn on your Netflix TV everyone in the family has their own stream actually it's quite scary if you go to my son and see what they're showing him is against me what they're showing me employers need to think of their employees like individuals employees to get on need to shine out from the crowd and that's complex and it's difficult do not leave your career in the hands of your line manager in fact I was talking to somebody earlier in Microsoft I can't see now about um the extent to which middle managers the permafrost those people who've got to their level of incompetence with the managing people have had no training budgets are big at the top they're big on technical but they're not big so you are a huge risk if you rely on your line manager to manage your career and that's why standing out from the crowd is important now in terms of just a little bit about me my background's Asset Management I used to work in the city running a global equities desk and I had a fantastic time I didn't notice that there were no women around the table shame on me and there's a big back story as to why I didn't notice and what made me a little different and I'm not going to give you that story today because I'd have to start with my father and who he is and how I was brought up I launched women on boards in 2012 just around the time that Lord Davis was tasked by the government to look at the lack of women on boards I have been buying and selling shares talking to fund managers for 20 years and I had never thought about it and I never noticed it was a shock to me I've also got another brand WB NextGen directors and that's the brand we use when we're talking to corporates about owning your career because it matters and I don't want a brand that's uninclusive and the word women I'm afraid does shock some people I have to be careful when I use that I'm the chief executive women on boards because that must only mean I'm a raving feminist not job I believe me I'm not and I hope to prove that today so we're a purpose-led organization and actually that came out in your research that people want to work for a purpose organization what's my purpose the boardroom matters it only does two things performance abiding by the law of filing your accounts policies processing standards and conform that's a conformance and then performance which is stargazing challenging the executives and it matters so much I want you all to believe that you could be in the boardroom if you want to I want you think to understand the boardroom of your own company who's in it what do they do and why do you have aspirations to be on your own company's board I don't care whether you do or not I want you to know about it because I want you to know you're making a conscious choice I want you to think about Community boards because those that have been in the boardroom before the age of 28 normally get to the boardroom of their own company if they're interested it's choice so information is power and I want to give you the information or anybody of information about what the boardroom does and say actually it's common sense and there's lots of Boards out there and it can be a mini MBA on leadership if you go onto a community board so that's my purpose and we work with lots of organizations advertising board vacancies and it's a privilege to be here today working with Robert Half and all supportivity who've sponsored some of our research because research does matter so thank you now at the glass ceiling you may not have experienced the glass ceiling I didn't experience glass ceiling but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist Glass Walls barriers put in your way an understanding of individuals barriers and issues is really important there's so much that's happened over the last 10 years so I'm going to fly you through some of the history of conversations that we have had and the issues and challenges that companies are having today Role Models Role Models matter you can't see what you can't be it's a discussion that we've heard many many times these are my favorite role models they are leaders that have got to the top from different continents all over the world outstanding fabulous individuals just because you've got a woman at the top or a black man at the top or an Asian or somebody's Chinese doesn't mean to say it's any easier for anybody else so we've got to say oh well it's fine because so-and-so got there we must have the right culture culture is much more complex than that I remember a great fan of podcasts I love podcast so if anybody wants a link to all these podcasts they're fantastic India New Leaf ex-chief executive PepsiCo fabulous story listen to how she led her people in a completely different way than any previous leader command and control is gone and that came out in the Robert Hearth research so themes from minorities now I was reading the newspapers you want to be careful when you get in on the in the daily mail but this was actually in the daily mail um which is about Westminster Council now not talking about ethnic minorities they're talking about global the power the power individuals because ethnic minorities they're not a minority outside the UK so trade language really matters as well so themes for minorities now there's lots of themes there's no one common theme as to what these individuals and how they got to the top so I'm going to fly through these and just take you through what I think was really important they had a strong sense of self whoops strong sense of self now I had a strong census myself and you'd have to talk to my father about why that is really important to make people have a strong sense of self it's complex these individuals wanted to constantly learn they were inquisitive are you constantly learning are you engaged in that is the company supporting you exposure to the boardroom from a young age talk to you about that and why I think it's important now there's one thing on here that was critical in all of these stories which I sadly can't help you with but it's important supportive partner if you don't have a support of a partner it can be quite challenging so you know we can't blame the companies for everything that's going on society has a big part to play in this massive the biases out there companies have failed with unconscious bias training haven't they do we really think a 20-minute video is going to change biases of lifetime I mean get real however bias is there and the biases in society now we did some research on where we are in terms of the footsie all share so outside the ftse 350 and it was sponsored by Robert heartham and I'm pretty sponsored but Robert Half hash introduced me to privativity so this part of all the Fantastic same family so I'm going to show you some of this data now first thing you need to be aware is that we've got to uh 40 in the ftse 100. my response to that is whippedy flipping d we micromanage 500 companies to find a few women and a few minorities to sit on their boards well done and we could have done that ourselves and it was hard but we've got that we've Managed IT the last 12 12 years we started at 12 percent now if you then look at the executive side and Beth and I just were talking about the begative side so let's have a look at the equity side so here we're looking at the data the ftse 100 39 40 it hovers around executive the second line female leadership directors we're at 17 at the ftse 100 and we're at 12 of the ftse uh 250. it's not moving and if you look at the exact number of female Chief Executives or or minority background Executives it's really really poor and it's not shifting it's not moving it's actually going backwards so the research that we did with productivity was looking at um what's happening outside so all male boards were about 90 at the ftse 350 only 1.7 have an all-male board now that's a huge change in 10 years outside the ftse 350 it's 25 who's met the targets 79 have met the 33 Target because it's not every board it's the average of all of them but it's 56 outside the ftse 350 and it's much much worse if you get uh outside that and then directors of color in terms of the park review classification which is one per board it's only 25 at the ftseal share so there's still a huge amount of work to be done but progress has been made but there's still a lot of progress to be made in the real issue and not just the boardroom now this was interesting uh looking at companies with all male executive leadership teams in the ftse 350 it's only 4.6 percent shame on them but outside the ftse 350 it's 50 all male still and we talk about diversity matter but there's still a real issue here now what was really interesting is we looked at if there was a male chair were there more women or minorities in the executive team and the answer was not much difference but if there was a female chief executive uh you tended to see that the um executive team was fully balanced it was actually 55 now were they promoting only women no they probably weren't they just have a different view of what a leader is and they had a very very diverse team so it really really does matter to have people at the top so that's a little bit about the research I'm just going to watch time here um why diversity matters honestly 10 years ago we had to explain to people why it mattered it was like a shock what are you talking about that's new information to me never heard that before really now I know everything my favorite story um was uh it wasn't Tampax but one of those hygiene female hygiene had an all male executive team and an all-male board I mean you can't make these things up can you um so why diversity matters we've been talking about it um this is some really old research but I love it just in case people aren't sure if you have people from diverse backgrounds they confer and give you different information they have different knowledge different experiences it enables problem solving and it changes the way you think fantastic research on that if you take a whole load of democrat students from University in America and they've done this research and you take a whole load of Republican students and say you the Democrat favoring group can one of you go and talk to the Republican and vice versa or any subject you like knitting doesn't matter what it is not politics you work harder because you're frightened you think you're going into a group of different people so it raises the bar it raises stand as it raises quality so that story ought to be over I'm going to whiz through on this as a McKinsey research they bang on about this all of the time there's the Credit Suisse research which is about it affects your profits at factual share price performance and there's no survivorship bias here you can cut the data in tech companies Asian companies Japanese companies these companies are just quite simply better managed so there's masses of research we don't need to look at it but honestly I'm still speaking to companies I'm asked to go into the boardroom and explain why we have to do all this rope stuff but it's about profits so we're getting there so who's pushing for change well it's changed it's not just a few individuals like Lord Davis and Philip Hampton and Dame Hannah Alexander who are fronting reports funded by the government The Regulators are getting involved if you don't do it we are going to punish you we are going to fine you it's unacceptable the financial conduct Authority which says it's about risk and if you don't manage your culture you have a toxic culture it's dangerous for our economy and it's dangerous for our liquidity it's dangerous of funding so they're getting that wakes the board up they did a few things in the boardroom it's now getting serious your shareholders are saying what the heck they're voting you down your employees are saying this is not acceptable your customers are saying sorry this doesn't look right to me that purpose is the way we spend our money it's everywhere institutionals proxy investors legal in general BlackRock they're all saying we are going to find you now they're not actually that good themselves so there's a whole lot going on so lots changed and then it gets really exciting because power is getting to the minority the individual the person on the street the person the metoo campaign people are calling it out which is fantastic and that metoo campaign is taken to all section of society we've got a discussion on allies don't just ask the woman to sort the female problem out don't just ask the black man to say You must understand your black bait therefore you must understand or the agent doesn't work like that who else is stepping up so this is when we're getting into leadership how are you leading and then of course you have to mention George Floyd in the black lives matter campaign companies are scared that don't know how to deal with it they're frightened of these subjects and then you've got the employee representative groups there's loads of them and many companies today have lost control of them they know they're vitally important as a touch point of what's going on but they can't quite control them and they're not always fit for purpose so there's some great things going on it's really important and then of course we've got the international Days International women's day international men's day we've just had International this day well-being companies are running around like headless chickens trying to think about everything but actually they almost need to stop now and step back and say what is actually working and what isn't working how do we really shift the dial and it's really complex and it's really really hard so don't beat yourself up too much but that war on talent that came out of the Robert Half research is so so important you know I was talking to one of our top four accountancy firms we worked with lots of the county firms um who've actually been working on this for a lot longer than anybody else they don't have everything right and they said would we come in and run a leading collaboratively module for some of their middle managers to stop them saying the youngsters are too sensitive you know they don't come into the office they're not behaving properly they're too you know too fragile because the reality is those leaders have to understand treat people like individuals and they are walking and we need to explain to those middle managers and very little Investments gone there so I'm not going to this is sort of not rocket science you have to start at the top you have to treat it as a change program most change programs fail because they don't get the hearts and minds of people you have to upskill people in their leadership ability give them toolkits on how to run an effective meeting how to influence up it's not about how you influence it's how other people like to be influenced it's complex it's difficult it's not easy some people do it naturally some people don't but you can give people tools on how to stop people being interrupted how to support them understand your data if you don't have data I mean for goodness sake you know we're Way Beyond the point my favorite slide is usually a bunch of paper clips you know everyone that people still don't know the difference between Target and a quota quota's opinions of legislative action you will get fined a Target we have targets for paperclip consumption if we don't have targets for people management what are we trying to finding out we didn't get there on Merit and don't get me on the word merit if we have a merit conversation I'm pleased marriages me I've beholder it's a deeply complex situation um so support ambition remove blocks um I like Claire Hollingsworth who's the chair of go ahead group if you want to see some good initiatives on changing the image of bus and train drivers have a look at the go-ahead group but what she says is there's no Magic Bullet and what one company does isn't necessarily appropriate for you it's hard graph it's really important obviously you have to remove the blocks and there are loads and loads of blocks out there processes policies and this is where companies like Robert Hearth really come into their own because they can help you understand the blocks change the way you recruit change your language it's in crucially important effective promotion effective leadership but support your managers is my key message today because it's tough now we've talked about covid and we've talked about the workplace there's so much research on this you can get a bit tired I read lots of research I've read it every day I've seen it before seen it before Oh every now again there's something new so I did read some research the other day which was by an organization called lean in you may have heard of lean in Cheryl Sandberg wrote a book on leaning she got a lot of flat for that as well but she that organization did some research with McKinsey on women in the workplace I just want to show you some of their data if you didn't quite believe what Robert Hearth was saying in their data which is giving the same message so managers and expectations managers are expected now to help their employees develop support their well-being promote inclusion and yet they don't know how to do it but we're asking them to do it constantly please support and please help them We Now understand intersectionality you can't just fix the women you can't fix this you have to understand the intersectionality so let's look at a bit of intersectionality within women this is where black women and leaders are more likely to be undermined at work having someone say imply you're not qualified being mistaken for somebody more Junior having more judgmental questions and this is the data between how many men have it which of course they do how many women have it and how many black leaders have it understanding that type of thing is really really important and what are you doing about it do you have the skills to notice do you spot it what is important to women today and this is important to men as well I have two sons one's 26 and 24 and they really really care about whether they've got flexibility and all of those things so what's important to um uh with women and men today the opportunity to advance flexibility commitment to Dean Edie and I that came in terms of your questions at interviews unsupportive managers it really winds people up so women tend to want it more as you can see these factors are increasingly important to younger women much much more so so there's a difference in age in terms of intersectionality and of course this isn't just about women it's never just been about women it's more than that and I hate this word I hate it do you hear it I hear it at dinner parties I'm going to dinner party this weekend I'm dreading somebody bringing the Daily Mail type language up it's a bit woke isn't it the BBC is getting blamed for it left right and Center Sky probably as well so it is really important it's not woke it's about us being individuals and we want things in different ways now these are the companies that we tend to work with and they bring us in for a whole host of reasons but it's usually to support their Executives going on to board so JP Morgan's got 33 subsidiary boards blackrock's got a lot of them and they want their Executives to inspire to be Executives on those boards and understand their duties responsibility and liabilities but some of those companies allow us to talk to their young Executives about the boardroom and community boardrooms and when I hear and Executives say oh I don't think you understand the boardroom's not for our younger employees dare they say that they're doing hiding the toys under the table what do you think I'm talking about shells board when you talk about the boardroom we all think of ftse 100 there's your Arts board there's your community board there's your cycling board there's government boards taxpayers money things that you are funding UK sport Grassroots sports that's leveling the playing field absolutely everywhere and I mean playing the gender bias in Playing Fields around our country is enormous because believe me I'm not allowed to play football the boys have had it for 50 years for God's sake what do you mean you want to have half of the playing field it's not fair when you take something off but it's really important and that's why these conversations are important and that's why I will work with men as well as women why wouldn't I I would be sexist if I said I'm only helping one section of this your company I don't like the rest it's really important but they're hilarious things going on at some of these companies as well you know please can you come and fix so and so even fix them it's really difficult and it's really challenging but it's up to you as senior Executives it's up to you as senior leaders to really take this seriously and go that extra mile and I think that's what productivity have been doing in the work that they do and Robert Half are doing because they're thinking this and they're not pretending they've got everything right they're saying it's complex and we can help you but for goodness sake treat people like adults and give them access to knowledge and Power and I'm going to end shortly to tell you about my father why was I different my father was eight years old in burslem Stoke-on-Trent when a teacher came to him and said we need to get you out of here his father was a coal miner the Potter is very very deprived area and they realized he was very very clever and so was his mother who ran the corner shop they sponsored him to go to a local boarding school or private school they couldn't afford the uniform they could afford the first Year's uniform if the whole Community chipped in but they couldn't afford the second the third and the fourth so they decided to spend the next 10 years saving for his university uniform they had a town hall meeting to explain to them what university was because they didn't know and one of the church ministers at the Methodist Church said we need to change the way he speaks he's going to get bullied and we need to train him to present so he was coached by the entire Community because one person said we need to help this child it changed his life but it enabled me to have power and knowledge because he includes everyone and supports everyone all of the time and when I was told I was stupid and I wasn't going to University and I was in the remedial group because I'm mildly dyslexic he didn't even know what that meant and neither did my mother and she was a teacher he was not going to have it and he told me at the age of 12 that Not only was I going to go to university because the university lecturers write the papers it's not difficult but he also told me I was going to be an industrial leader and I was entitled to be at the table and from that point onwards he took me to every community meeting and led me to sit in the corner and color he only did it actually because he didn't have any child care my mother was working but it made a difference and that's the sort of thing that we can all do by making a difference and it's not helping one person over another person it's about equality and equity and it's leveling the playing field and that's why I am absolutely privileged and thrilled to be here today so thank you very much for having the opportunity to talk to you today and thank you very much Robert Half and fertility thank you okay um Fiona thank you so much that was um that was really good and actually I Beth Rigby kicks off panel discussion remember we were talking earlier I uh before I went to Sky I worked at the financial times and I remember covering um the inaugural report on women and boards and the distance traveled but as you were saying in terms of executive function the distance still to go and I think what you said about the difference generationally as well between what younger people now need from employees is something that I think all of us included me you know I'm going to take away from that but we need to start our panel discussion um because we're actually we're actually not on time but I'm going to just introduce everyone and if you could come up um we've got about 50 minutes for this um we've got a great panel for you let me give you the quick introductions we've got Sharon odia who's the digital Introduction to panellists work Place expert and co-founder at lithos Partners an expert on Modern workplaces take your seats please on my panel um Jenny Jenny Barker Chief people officer at trustpilot and she's going to talk to us today about how to shape corporate culture I hope we've got Hermione kada where is he where's mine there you come out with the best trainers on which I'm uh going to be stealing for my son later um he Hermione's the vice president for growth at dare his mission is to reach 100 renewable future and I hope you can talk to us about retaining talent in your workplace which is extremely competitive and finally last but certainly not least we have Peter Richardson architect of future worker creativity who's advising big companies on the future of work and clearly did quite a lot of that research with FiOS so look we've got a stellar lineup for you I'm gonna I'm gonna sit here because otherwise I'll feel like I feel like mum or something um let me get those so um we've got we've got about 50 minutes if we have time I will um I'll do some questions but I don't know what we'll we'll have time but um right let's kick off with a broad question I'm going to start with you Peach if that's all right because what I'd like to ask you are what are the top Top 3 factors likely to have biggest impact on future of work? three factors you think are likely to have the biggest impact on the future of work just a nice easy question for you to start off with that just just the three just um just three just just reflecting on some of the things that have that have been said already um you said it in your introduction as as well actually Beth you know future of work was sort of already here um we're in we're in this strange place in fact I prefer to view it almost as a as a strange planet that we've landed on you know it's it's got a different atmosphere it's got a a different landscape but we wear different clothes um to what we used to wear um I I would have been suited and booted for this normally and I'm a little bit more casualty and I've tried to try to be not quite the not quite the right trainers but I've tried a little bit um we speak a different language you know we talk about zooming and teamsing and I heard the I heard the word hybridity used the other day um in in a conversation um we took we talk about you know the acronym working from home wfh we use it I've heard it now used in the context of working from headset as well so so we're sort of in this different different world and yet we've landed there but we don't really know where we are and where we're going people are still struggling with what do they do next and and now to try to answer your question the three things I think that people uh need to address um are actually people people and people we're going to hear a lot I suspect about you know artificial intelligence and Robotics and technology and and organizational change and process but but fundamentally we've still got a lot of issues that we need to deal with and address to do with people um a lot of what was just reflected there um is to do with diversity inclusion generational differences I think have become extremely acute under the microscope following or during the pandemic the differences between the the generations are actually very very marked and the needs at the generational level let alone at the individual level as Fiona was just saying are actually very significant you know I'm a I'm a baby boomer um I'm comfortable actually you know I like working from home it works for me I've got the technology I've got great High I've got Hi-Fi Wi-Fi and and Hi-Fi um you know I've got a great I've got a great desk to work out I've got a great screen I look out over the Thames I've got some heat um I don't have to share with anyone it works really well um and yet you know I recognize that that's not the same for all of my colleagues and people have learned to different life Lifestyles during that period um generation acts and Millennials have have dealt with you know challenges with family challenges with parents challenging with challenges with with people in care Etc during that period and have designed their lives to fit around that um my assistant had her first child during covid working for me and now her whole work life Arrangement is based around looking after her personal life and her children she's just expecting a second child and we have to recognize in our workplace that that we have to be able to deal with that for all of those people so so dealing with the generations is is a significant part of of the people question at the same time um I think we've moved on from the sort of hybrid working from home question as you again as you said in your introduction Beth to a question around um how do we best get people to engage in person where's the value of in-person interaction and how do we get people now to actually to relearn that and understand it um we're humans you know social interaction is what we're about there's a lot of value in bringing people together for collaboration for connectivity for celebration for creation for for compassion for things that underpin our culture and we've sort of Forgotten some of that and we've gone into this debate around forcing people to to come into an office rather than creating environments where people naturally collaborate and work together and get value out of being together so office design now needs to be about creating environments and workplaces where people get value out of in-person interaction so I think there's a lot to address in terms of the people equation and and therefore finally the the third thing I think that is most important is what I would call people-centric design we need to now think in everything we do in every way we design our offices we change our operations we Implement our systems our Solutions our Technologies how it affects and Implement how it affects and influences and and supports our people and I think we need to put our people who said we need to become people obsessed I think as well in your introduction I think we do need to be people obsessed and put our people first and think about that first and foremost as we change the world we live in I guess there has been with some employers a bit of a backlash as well where there was so then I've got a weird is it gone it's like having a mosquito my um there has been hasn't been a way a bit of a backlash from maybe some big employers who because of necessity of covid people had to work at home but now they kind of want some employers the Are changing employee expectations creating tension with employers? presenteeism of people back in in offices and organizations um I want to come actually um to you hermion and then and Sharon on this question which is sort of linked to that which are what are are change and employee expectations about what they want from work create an attention between employees and employers I think you might have a bit of a different perspective mine because you're a kind of start-up younger company you're not a kind of big sort of you know old established company but do you think their attention's there um yeah for sure and firstly before we go ahead with anything Layla told me it was casual so I wore trainers by the way that's awesome and also um these trainers are like just let's get that clear first and also they're actually boxed Russian very smart in many ways um yeah I do think there's a slight tension with some firms I think I think the new generations their expectation is um transparency and structure in their career they want to see where they want to go over the next couple years and I think some firms can't provide that because they just don't know it they're unaware of the landscape of the current economical crisis and stuff so I think there is a slight mismatch and when there's a slight mismatch and people misaligned I think there's gonna naturally there's gonna be problems that come along and I think what you the best thing you can do is just to be absolutely clear along the whole process now what I've found is that companies come in and they have this great mission statement and they have this great thing that they want to offer out then it goes to the hiring managers then it goes to the agent and then it goes to the JD and then it goes to the the employee the person that they're trying to recruit there's there's a lot of opportunity for miscommunication on the way there's a lot of opportunities for something being promised that it doesn't get delivered and vice versa and what happens by the end of it is that they come for something that they thought again and they might not they might not so I think I think the most important thing to do is just to be absolutely transparent to make sure that your future Talent is aware of what they're going to get and are you finding with your talent that you have to be Do you have to give employees what they need to keep them? very employee Centric so you kind of have to give because you're in a competitive space right do you kind of have to give them what they need in order to keep them I.E what what funeral is talking about sort of individually tailoring packages is that kind of your approach absolutely yeah absolutely and I think you start off you have to start off with a really strong base with what you think your your key demographic is first and foremost I think for us we um are perks and our and our offerings grew with the firm so we had an in-house masseuse before we had a pension plan like you get it like that's that's for some reason that was important for some people um so yeah we've had to definitely be dynamic in our approach and individualistic and also we're small numbers we went from 40 to about 200 people this year um and you still have to treat people as just not economical units but individuals and and make sure there's an offering for everyone that was able to come and and Sean what are you finding do you experiencing this tension between What employees want vs what employers want to give what employees want and what employers are prepared to give and he's moving more quickly absolutely it feels like it's in three areas so one of them is the one that gets talked about in the media the most which is about flexibility and there is this kind of tension there around what is the purpose of the office so we can't bring people back into the office through passive aggressive notes but actually creating a purpose of being there which might be it could be something you wouldn't ordinarily get home like connection with other people there's a couple of other ones which around kind of the experience of work itself so actually people kind of expect to be able to go to work and just do a good job and if you put barriers in their way and that's often around kind of the quality of Technology you have or excessive processes that mean as if you'll go to work and just can't simply achieve the things they'd like to do that starts to become a dragon on productivity and people get annoyed and will start looking around I think the final one is probably around the degree to which people expect to have an agency so going back to the point that that Fiona made really strongly there round people expect to create their own individual experiences at work I heard a really good analogy recently which is for a long time work and management styles at work have been a lot more around kind of a school model so you're expected to be there at a certain time to do things in a particular way but actually increasingly people expect their working life to be more like going to University where you make a choice about when and where you might study or get things done or the tools you might use to do that and actually there is that tension there now between that school kind of approach and the university approach that people kind of have come to expect are you saying that you think people want more autonomy absolutely and and is that a covert related development and what I mean in that is the kind of the culture of presenteeism has changed because by necessity it did or do you think it's about a new generation just A new generation having a different perspective having a different perspective on on what workers to say to oldies like me I would really say both of those things that actually the trends that we see in at work are actually just trends that you see in broader Society so a lot of this around you know the move towards increased flexible working was happening anyway driven by technology but also recognition that our needs from work are changing due to demographics they need to manage caring responsibilities the fact that we're all working into our you know 60s potentially or older as they're talking about increasing the pension age so actually there is these it was just accelerated by covert in many ways but then a lot of people I think you know we sat home for two years a lot of people started to think well Life's too short to spend two hours on the day on the train shoved under someone's armpit on the train into Waterloo so actually I think a lot of people just reassessed what they were prepared to put up with and there are there's a lot of research around that says you know people will be willing to take a lower salary in order to have that flexibility recognizing you know that maybe life's too short for this kind of thing anymore and and let me come to you Jenny um in terms of organizations How can organisations differentiate employer value propositions? um how can they differentiate um employee value propositions to meet a wide range of employee needs how does that work and what Can employees employers do yeah for sure so I think I agree with what everyone has already said in terms of expectations are rising but it definitely makes it harder for organizations to kind of meet all of those different needs that are coming forward and and sort of coming forward more strongly these days and I feel I think the first one is um sort of similar to what Hermione said around personalization so people really expect this choice you know we we have it in you know the the covers on our phones and we have it in you know do you want foam or no foam on your soil latte we're used to making these kind of decisions about this is how I want it to be and I also totally agree with the point on autonomy for me this whole debate around you know is it two days in the office or three days in the office that's not what people are interested in they're not interested in being told you can work two days at home and those are on a Monday and a Friday they're interested in figuring out work that works for them and they're interested in making a decision each day you know what's going to work best for me today in terms of what I've got to get done um but in terms of what organizations can sort of do is is to is to offer that as much as possible to kind of offer that differentiation in terms of kind of flexible benefits I Choose You know is a pension more important to me at the moment or an in-house um Massa um the work patterns both in terms of where you're working and when you're working we're even looking at the moment um you know take Easter bank holidays for example those are a UK bank holiday but they are religious based and there are a number of our employees who probably don't really want to take that time off they'd rather use that on another religious celebration day or just a completely different day that means something to to them so I think personalization and sort of enabling that choice is massively important but the really strong caveat that I have is I find that when organizations talk about EVP they're sometimes talking about the actual offer of what's available and they're sometimes talking about the articulation of what's available so what do we kind of tell the world that that we offer and that's where you've got to be really really careful so you can't just start throwing these things in and saying you know we talked about purpose being so important we can't kind of just start saying we're a purpose-led organization so actually there's a part of me that wants to say that organizations should not try to be all things to all people I think organizations need to get really clear about what it is that that they offer and and that's the differentiator and people can opt into that and say you know at this point in my life this organization is going to work better for me for X reasons because it gives me these things um whereas at another point in my life a different organization might so I think I think we'll have got to be so careful to not just kind of try to be all things to all people and then as you say people get there and they're like oh hang on this is not really what I signed up for but Jenny do employers do both things though that they can they can go this is our offer you know and the people will come if they like it but then also for Do employers tailor their offerings to staff? their top 20 of talent they might tailor the offer more for the people that they want to retain is that what happens in practice maybe so um I don't see a huge amount of that I think because also and another thing that employees expect at the moment is kind of equity so they'd be I think that would cause that issue if some people were sort of getting something different but I think organizations what they can do is they can articulate the best of who they are now and then work to become better at the things that they know they want to deliver in the future but I just think it's really important to not jump out ahead of where you are right now yeah and promise too much and then let people down um her mind let's come back to you because you just I've just sort of processing what you just said which was you went from 40 employees to 200 in what space of time was that just over a year just over a year that's an incredible growth um that's a lot of new people coming to I mean you're a relatively young tech company um how do you do that in terms of bringing those people in what what do you do to attract the best talent or is What do you do to attract the best talent? it rather you you're such in a growth space that that people are coming to you or what are you doing to attract talent and manage that sort of employee growth no you're right um I think when you when you're speaking about attracting talent I think there's two main things you want to consider a is the communities and then B is the language that you speak to those communities in I think that's really important so for us when we're looking to feel rows of field departments we look for the core skills of the individuals that we need and we won't just simply just throw the JD Into The Ether and hopefully those people find us what we do is find those communities that we think fit the profile and they could come from alternative communities there can be communities that are underserved underlooked or the ones that just don't have the right ucas points like we look at all avenues to try and think okay what are the key core skills that we need what groups of people might have it and let's reach out to them and then you have to speak in their language another thing that's really key so especially regarding our graduate programs graduates the new era they they talk differently to us they're not really concerned too much about fancy words a new JD or how eloquently you put your words what they they speak in video that's where we've got most of our results from is from just having video and then watching and seeing it and seeing what what our culture is about what the offering is and I think for us being able to speak at the at the right level in the same frequency as the people we want to talk to is really important and that's how we've been able to attract them so we do so we try and make sure that we'll try and make sure that we also take away the veneer I think what what it's almost like when you go on holiday and you go on like um TripAdvisor you don't look at the pictures that the hotels put up you look at the pictures that people put up to see if that's what they thought if this actually doesn't if it actually looks like that it's similar with the videos that we want to put we want to put the raw stuff up because that's what people actually want to see and they want to and they want to work in a place like that so I think it's about making sure you talk to the right communities and be speaking their language and it can vary from different departments but most of our Workforce is fairly young so we try and do it in that manner in how we do it but also culture we talk about culture so often here very well put everything else that's been said so far I agree with and it's really true it's so important for these guys that your values your ethics your your working practices need to match those and if you're not wearing your culture in your sleeve then how can they how can they how can they assign to it how can they do that um for us it's I think for us it's easy this is who we are we don't we don't even have a dni policy I don't think which is which is absurd but that's because our senior leadership come from a diverse background they are diverse to begin with it just reflects and you can't be if you can't see it you can't be it's perfect people see it so they be it for us and they come through and they and they want to join the mission so for us the attraction is is a whole heap of things and also let's let's like for us it's worked really well and I and I and I'll tell you why like let's be honest no one's really heard of our company before this right and rightly so like we're a small firm big in our space but you wouldn't really hear of us however the grads have the ones that we want to talk to have and sort of Give an example so we work with a company called amplify trading you might you may or may not have heard of them they run like trading academies and they run off all the big Banks and most recently they run it for us they've found that when we're running campaigns we have the same uptake as tier one corporate Banks um but still nobody will know of us outside of those groups it's about making sure the right people know who you are you're speaking to them directly and you're saying the message that you want to say and that for us has been the most important thing I think um salaries and titles bring people in but I think culture is why they stay and that's why so that's really interesting so you also soaps and what you'll find in are graduates there's not a kind of flight to safety and that I'll go to the big blue chip because that's secure for me you're saying that all the salary package could be bigger you're saying that actually the culture and values the diversity of the company is something that really tracks graduates so you're kind of a living embodiment of um Fiona's speech in a way aren't you you're the sort of living embodiment of that that cultural change yeah hopefully I mean that's really interesting um just just I I want to move on though to flexible work in um and Jenny I'll start with you if I What can leaders do about the pros and cons of flexible working? might kick it down the panel um what can leaders do to build on the pros and cons because there are pros and cons that we've all experienced in flexible work in like what what are the things that they should harness and what are the things that they should see as cons and try and uh reign in yeah yeah um for me I personally sort of come from a place of believing so passionately in the prose of flexible working so my response probably will reflect that because it's more about how do we work around the problems that that have been created in order to get to the benefit that um that so many uh have uh that you know we've learned so much um and we get so much from flexible working um I think the first thing for me that leaders need to get really really strong around is clarity so you know we're not in these situations that we were a few years ago where as a leader of you you're you know often sitting with your team you're hearing the calls that they're on you're able to kind of like nudge here and and guide there and and sort of manage things on a very organic basis by being around each other and with hybrid teams and with people working from home clearly that's something that's that's gone away and I think it's then incumbent upon leaders to be extremely clear so do your people know exactly what they are supposed to be delivering and it sounds silly but it's very basic um and and you know in an environment where that wasn't the case previously you would have caught that but you won't catch that in in this working setup now so you've got to make sure that you've got real Clarity around what people are supposed to be doing and I think the other area where you can provide a huge amount of clarity is around how the team operates and we were talking a little bit before about sort of the the art of communication um but you know how does the team how does the team get work done how do when do they come together for meetings when do they use slack when do we get together to review progress and I think those are things that kind of you feel like they're naturally happening in the way that the team is working but there's I've Just Seen huge value in actually kind of codifying that and giving people that Clarity around okay this is how we get things done in in this team and and in this function function so Clarity is one thing another one is really around listening and the basic premise of this is that it's harder to see what's going on and therefore you have to ask more you have to prompt things more um so how are leaders checking in with their teams do you have um you know survey feedback available um if not set up something think about how you're getting feedback from your people about what's working and what's not working but also particularly around how they're doing because I think that's the classic case where it's now much harder to see when people are having a tough time and so you have to both ask more regularly and you have to create a safe space for people to feel comfortable to talk about kind of what's going well and and what's not going well and and leaders should be at the Forefront of that and then the the final area for me is leaders have a really big role in kind of creating a really strong connection and sense of sort of belonging for people so um between the members of the team but actually also between the employee and the company um and I I'm sure many of you did but I am I didn't change jobs in the pandemic but I know people who did and they sort of commented on the the very weird dynamic of logging off one day and then going back to the same desk the next day and just logging on and seeing a different logo on the laptop and that was all that felt different and that that shouldn't be all it is right you know if you want to have um you want to have a thriving Workforce you want that sense of connection and Community you want them to feel that they're part of something and so you know whether that's thinking about how you onboard them whether that's thinking about sort of how you articulate and make your culture live in a in a virtual world whether that's the community groups the sort of employee representative groups and resource groups and I think people just want to feel out of something bigger and that's what now as Leaders we need to we need to help them with and Peter can I just with your baby boomer hat on I think I'm nearly there I'm not sure um one thing that kind of at my workplace comes up as well though about people working from home versus being in Are we at danger of losing organic learning through observation of colleagues? the office is the experience that you can build when you're a younger person at work from just the the organic sharing of information or watching a more senior colleague in action um performing their job and the kind of the the trickle-down of of learning um it's not something that's in danger of being lost when people are physically not working together because because a scheduled Zoom call is a formalized meeting as opposed to that organic sharing of information and learning actually through observation is that in danger of being lost yeah um it used to be easy didn't it because we all went into the office every day and we knew everyone was there and all of that you know Serendipity the the the discussions that happen to happen and and the and the trickle down as you say of experience and of knowledge and sharing of of of things throughout the office environment did happen and now in order to make sure that that can continue to happen we actually have to be far more organized in planning for random disorganized things to happen so actually we need to plan our days in a way that we never thought about before when should I go into the office how should I go into the office and as employers we also need to think about enabling that to happen in such a way that people can benefit from that there's a danger as well that that we get to a sense of of presenteeism you know that those who are there get benefits and those that aren't don't therefore As Leaders again we need to we need to lead in a hybrid way if I can put it that way to be inclusive of all people wherever they happen to be and it's called flexible working by the way flex flexible to me means doesn't just mean always working from home that's not flexible flexible means working from from different places different environments at different times and the challenge therefore for us is to to create environments as we were saying where that can happen and where people feel the benefit of coming together and learn and continue to have those experiences and just I'm going to come on to leadership uh in a moment but just before I do I just want to ask something of Hermione about technology because you talked a bit about your videos and the How do you use technology in your workplace? way in which that's used to draw people in how do you use technology to sort of Aid interactions between colleagues as well are you quite um what's the word um trailblazing in that way hopefully um I think we use technology in all parts of our process more the most important part is actually even even down from the recruitment process so we don't actually look at CVS anymore we hate CVS we think they're terrible things mine was terrible that's why I hate them but they're just they're just awful things it's what we do is if you want to be a Trader in our company you play a video game online and if you pass that video game you then come see me at Assessment Center even then I don't really ask for your name or your CV purely because I'm not going to remember it and be in and it's just no use there's no value to any of that and then we run the assessments we build up a profile of this individual and then we we hire them off the back of their core skills now that technology kind of solution we we bring to every part of it so like the communication aspect of it is you speak about Zoom rooms and you're right there is a little bit of like when you're on a resume call it's it's a formal it's a formal conversation yeah so we've had it where we've had Zoom rooms almost like for like a like an office floor where people just in there and just lingering and it's not actually a meeting people just there talking so we've had that we also have this like this strange little robot in the office that you can log into and you'll just and you can like play it like a PlayStation and run around the office as if you're there if you want to be it's a bit weird but it works um and um yeah so we definitely try and make sure we use technology in every single part of what we do but most importantly it's just an environment that most of the time people just want to be there um and they come so you find people do come into the office because it's it sounds like quite I mean I wouldn't mind yeah it sounds like an attractive place to be um and I wonder as well with AI like whether you're going to end up having virtual boardrooms anyway which I don't really get how that's going to work with our headsets but anyway um I'm sure Metro will help us out with that soon um I just want to come we're actually kind of getting towards the end I will say like I want to bring it now back to leadership and I want to start with you Sharon here How can leaders drive high performance with modern workforces? and the question is how can leaders drive high performance uh with modern Workforce forces you know hybrid multi-generational how do how do you kind of deal with all the individuality but still manage manage the goals and drive high performance what's the solution to that leaders is to to people so we we've done it already in this room this is real over focused on people in in desk jobs but actually 80 of workers worldwide are in some kind of Frontline role like in your case you're out in front of a camera and you know that actually we're all reliant on technology and on process to get things done but we we often design it for our own narrow field of of how we get things done not recognizing that we need to fully understand the the complexity of experience but also for me it's actually we all need to be kind of futurist to a degree because we were all talking about the Future Works already here but change is continuing to happen so we need to have an eye on the future and start to think about actually there's so many other forces of change that will start to affect us soon like demographic change even climate change sort of societal Trends what's happening in the economy it will all start to impact within the workplace if we want High performing teams we need that sort of Greater awareness of what's Happening not just in the world today but what the potential changes for our organizations in the future as we we're an aging Society or one that has different uh consumer expectations so I guess the role of leaders there is to have a much greater understanding of what the potential expectations of work are today but also in in the medium term future and Peter how do how do you still keep performance High when everyone's working in different ways with different expectations a few a few comments so first of all I think we have to recognize as everyone's been saying that we're we're entering a period of change we we don't know all the answers so first of all let's be authentic and honest and and admit that actually we don't we don't exactly know what's going to happen and we're going to experiment and we're going to have to take some risks and therefore As Leaders we need to be prepared to take those risks and take it on the chin when things go wrong and acknowledge that we don't have all the answers and the and that we're Human After All so so I think that's that's one point I would make um people have referred to before of course the sense of purpose the why the the the relevance of an organization I think that's critical as part of that that that Journey setting if you like um in order to enable our people though to operate effectively in this world as well I think we need to make significant new investments in in soft skills in engagement skills in in communication skills and listening skills I think there's been an under an under investment typically in those skills over time we still need of course to to to to upskill our people technically as well um digital skills for example and I think that's probably part of a retention strategy that that will work for most organizations so re-equipping people and and enabling them to be to be upskilled I think is a significant part of an enabling the organization to be higher performing too and Jenny what do you think organizations have to do to drive both performance whilst also retaining this diverse bunch of employees that could be working in all different types of ways it's it's becoming more challenging isn't it it is for sure and high performance is sort of my primary area of focus at the moment and it's become I think this term high performance has become a bit of a a loaded word and I'm seeing that employees are often switching off when organizations start talking about we need to you know we need to raise a to a level of higher performance and you sort of look at the backdrop of where we are at the moment and you know uh threat of recession coming through the three years that that we have had you know budgets are being cut people feel like they're being asked to do more with less and there's a worry that when organizations start talking about high performance it's actually just about how can we kind of squeeze more and more output out of out of these people and so it switches people off we've been taking a bit of a different approach to high performance at trustpilot we've been working with a researcher who specializes in understanding what the common elements of the highest performing environments in the world are what do they have in common why are they like that and so he works with um you know Harvard uh senior officials at the Olympics um the the best Samurai master in Japan sort of this wide range of high performance environments to kind of pull out other than just trying to kind of squeeze more out of people what is it that we actually need to do differently and we sort of land on um a high performance environment Back to Basics is a place where people have clear and meaningful goals back to my earlier point they really understand what they are expected to deliver they have laser focus on a small number of things which I think is so important for us to think about at the moment everyone's dealing with so much but actually strong performance comes when you really kind of laser in on what matters most and do a really great job of of something impactful um high performance environment is where people have a really strong understanding of how they're performing so whether that's through kind of independent measures that some jobs lend themselves to and others don't or whether it's feedback people have a really strong sense of am I doing well you know am I doing the right things um and then finally it's a place where there's a benefit to strong performance and there's a consequence to poor performance and that sounds awful right um so I'll assure you we are not taking a purist approach to that a trust pilot but what we are doing is we're using these principles to actually go back to the whole way that we organize our work and the way that we manage performance in in our employees um so I think my steer on this question is it can't just be about organizations trying to squeeze more out of the way that we've always done things we have to look at things differently and adapt to the world that we're in right now okay and I'm we've got we've got 10 minutes left I'm going to quickly run down panel last like one piece of advice and then I'm gonna throw it because I love I love audience question not to me I love all so I just my final question to all of Key piece of advice on how to prepare for the future of work you is what would be to this room your key piece of advice about how to prepare for the future of work so kind of think big pitch while we're all sort of doing our day jobs Peter um just a couple of things um one B employee obsessed as as I as I said previously and in order to face that change environment that we're all going to have to deal with we need all to get and my boss uses this phrase a lot and I like it we need to get comfortable with being uncomfortable okay I spent my life being comfortable with being uncomfortable it's kind of my own made of rounded Ryan I think you have to be authentic I think you have to be truly authentic in all parts of your processes in all parts of communication so then the people that join with you join for the right reasons and then you grow together and I think if you grow together with a Workforce you don't have that revolving door of people leaving every couple years and then costing you lots of money and all that kind of jazz I think that is probably the best piece of advice I can give sorry for the snots I love authenticity mine would be around um thinking about your people as individuals and then really listening to them let let the people let the employees guide us as organizations in terms of the the way that we navigate this um difficult time ahead um you've already taken the one I was going to say about individuals so probably it would be around the need for flexibility because we don't we can't ever fully know what changes coming down the road and you know thinking just about the example of covid the organizations that coped the best were those that were most able to change quickly and adapt quickly so we don't know what's coming down the road but if we ensure we have the right decision-making processes is Technologies and so on so that we can adapt when it does happen because okay the future's on its way okay the future's common authenticity being being uncomfortable comfortable with being uncomfortable individuals flexibility all things that we should all Embrace probably um I have got eight minutes or seven minutes so I've got some roving mics does anyone have a question does no one have a question come on Audience Q&A someone's got a question Where do organisations start? um she only made a point it was my mind yeah Fiona made a point about um about data um and I don't believe we currently understand well enough um our employee population I don't believe we we utilize the data into Jenny's point I don't believe we're listening enough and understanding enough where our people are actually coming from and I'm afraid that employee surveys don't give you the answer because employee surveys are a mechanism I'm afraid where where people tell you what they think you want to hear you need you need you need a real diagnostic that gets under the skin of of where your people are coming from and what and what's concerning them and what the data is actually going to tell you so I'd start with a diagnostic that gives you that data and starts to populate and answer those questions for you data okay any other questions How do you try and communicate it with staff? yes the lady is there anyone might call to you yeah just give it a shout yeah 20 seconds yeah that's a good question actually isn't it like how do you you get it you understand this and you will answer but how do you try and communicate that do you want to take that Journey sure I don't know that I always try to communicate it myself I think what really does help is when you get people together to try and understand different perspectives so I do I do find that often sort of um I think about my role as a as a translator sometimes and I mean I remember a brilliant time at a prior organization where we were reconfiguring the floor and we were taking away Executive offices and I had on the one hand sort of the execs who were Furious and you know and really couldn't believe that this was happening and then we had sort of the um the younger generation the people out on the floor as it were um who were kind of saying well I think it's disgusting that they you know sit in this special area with their fancy carpets and their lovely desks and all of that sort of stuff and we had some really interesting discussions about kind of getting those people to connect and and share the perspective so you know the people out on the floor were able to explain okay this this is why it's an issue for us it's because it feels like you're separate of feels like you're not kind of really connected but equally the execs were able to say do you know what it feels like the game has changed like I worked for this like this this was what this was what I was getting towards and then all of a sudden it feels like things have been kind of taken away from me um so it's not necessarily about I think I was always translating but really kind of connecting people up and sometimes using you know data to support that to get people to really kind of dig in and understand each other's perspectives more can we build on that one yeah so um it's a challenge that we'll often find actually it's when you're looking at our leadership like Well you aren't hearing those stories from the front line sometimes it's really useful to just flag up what the potential risks are in terms of you know is it a problem for talent retention and attraction is It ultimately you know are there cost savings ultimately sometimes you need to speak to the bean counters in their own language about what the potential impacts will be if we don't start to to adapt to this kind of new future of work okay um I've got one more I one more question the gentleman at the back Is introducing one day a week in the office a good idea? who's taking it I actually I've I heard a really good case study recently where exactly that they allow people to come in when they felt like it but it meant that people would just come into work and then do Zoom calls from a slightly different location so actually there was a need to have that level of coordination so they end up settling on I thought this was quite nice Wednesday plus one you know we'll all come on a Wednesday and then come in any other day that works for you so that you can have both the flexibility but that opportunity to coordinate connect build uh build that level of trust that we need in order to work more flexibly the rest of the time anyone out pizza it depends such a consultant um you know if it's seen as if it's seen as on the one hand I'm afraid you know to to to use this word some organizations have dinosaurs that don't trust people and the only way I can trust you is about having you in front under my nose if it's seen as that then it's a bad idea if it's seen as there's a bunch of people out here who are lacking Direction and lacking purpose and and Leadership haven't got a clue what they want from me and they're doing something to help me in that then that's a better idea and if it's in particular seen as something that helps people do those Seas hours talking about connect collaborate uh create um communicate celebrate provide compassion do something that's to do with the culture then yes that's a good idea thank you and we are don't stop I just want to thank all of you um I've actually learned so much this morning um myself about work about how I work about how Sky News works and about how we're all going to be working in the future so thank you to all of our panelists for your time thank you for your brilliant speech owner um and we haven't had much q a today but if you've got any further burning questions do speech or contact at Robert Half and they'll come back to you and thank you all so much for coming and I think we should give everyone on all the speakers around for Applause thank you thank you so much what's up [Applause] thank you so yeah just to just to finish off and say thanks again to to Beth Fiona and all of our panel I think it's Closing remarks been great we could have probably sat here all day yeah and talk talked about this subject um it's called the future of work but I see it more as the present of work um it's not in the future it's it's here and it's now or we're having to deal with it so um yeah hopefully we'll be doing more of these and uh we'll hope you come along so thanks for everyone making the effort it is 10 o'clock in conscious that people have uh busy days ahead of them uh whether you're going back to the office or or home um we don't just recruit for people um as we we've got lots of advice we've got lots of experience in the marketplace if you if you need any advice whether that be what is happening in the market what are candidates looking for what are other employers doing to help their employees then feel free to reach out to your Rob Hoffman um representative and get some advice 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What does it mean to be employee-obsessed? How can leaders balance business performance with employee individuality? Why is intersectionality so crucial to understand? These are all questions business leaders should ask themselves as they head into the future of work. On Thursday, 24th November, Robert Half hosted a future of work event at Banking Hall in the heart of London, moderated by Sky News political editor Beth Rigby. It was studded with unique insights and perspectives from our keynote speaker Fiona Hathorn (CEO of Women on Boards UK), and a panel of thinkers on the future of work. These included Jennie Barker (Chief Talent Officer at Trustpilot), Humayun Khader (Vice President of Growth at Dare), Sharon O'Dea (Digital Workplace Expert and Co-Founder of Lithos Partners) and Peter Richardson (Architect of Future of Work at Protiviti). Here are some of the insights they shared and how business leaders can act on them to prepare for the future of work.
1. Diversity and inclusion Generational differences have come under the microscope following the pandemic. Each generation deals with a specific set of challenges (both at work and home), and employers must recognise and accommodate this. 2. Human engagement at work “There's a lot of value in bringing people together for collaboration,” says Peter, “And we've gone into this debate around forcing people to come into an office, rather than creating environments where people naturally collaborate and work together and get value out of being together.” 3. People-centric office design Peter also encourages employers to think about how office design can support, affect, and influence the way people work. He says, “We need to now think in everything we do, in every way we design our offices, change our operations, implement our systems, how it affects and influences and supports our people.”
“The new generation’s expectation is transparency and structure in their career — they want to see where they can go over the next couple of years,” says Humayun. He advises setting out a clear offering to avoid miscommunications throughout the hiring process, so the job the candidate applies for is the job they get.
Now that the workplace is beginning to return to normal, employers and employees also face a disconnect about spending time in-office. Sharon recommends tempting employees back by offering things they can’t get at home — like person-to-person connection and the opportunity to work in an individualised way.
Employee expectations are rising, making it harder for employers to meet the different needs of current staff or attract top-performing talent from the job market. Jennie believes autonomy and personalisation are great places to start. “Employees aren’t interested in being told you can work two days at home, and those are on a Monday and a Friday,” she says. “They're interested in figuring out what works for them. And they're interested in making a decision each day; what's going to work best for me today in terms of what I've got to get done.”
Jennie believes that true differentiation comes from giving employees flexible benefits. To offer autonomy over their working patterns and which religious celebration days they’d prefer to take off. This comes with a caveat — organisations shouldn’t try to be all things to all people. The key is to focus on your offer and communicate that clearly and honestly.
Humayun says there are two main things to consider when attracting the right talent to the opportunity: advertising the role within the right community and advertising it in a way that resonates. “When we're looking to fill roles or fill departments, we look for the core skills of the individuals that we need,” he says. “We won't just throw the job description into the ether and hope those people find us. What we do is find those communities that we think fit the profile.”
It’s also essential for businesses to live the values and ethics they advertise. Humayun says, “if you're not wearing your culture on your sleeve, how can candidates assign to it? Salaries and titles bring people in, but culture is why they stay.”
Lead with clarity Without in-person contact acting as a guiding touchpoint, leaders need to focus on clarity to ensure workers know what they’re supposed to be delivering and how the team operates. It’s harder to catch miscommunication in a remote work environment, so setting out clearly from the start is essential. Learn to listen Jennie advises business leaders to listen. Aside from implementing employee feedback surveys and open dialogues, she encourages leaders to check in regularly with their people. She says, “You have to both ask more regularly, and you have to create a safe space for people to feel comfortable to talk about what's going well and what's not going well. And leaders should be at the forefront of that.” Create a sense of connection Jennie also encourages employers to focus on creating a strong sense of connection and belonging for remote employees. She recommends finding ways to bring company culture to life in a virtual world or by creating employee resource groups and community groups.
1. Invest in upskilling “We need to make significant new investments in soft skills, in engagement skills, in communication skills, and listening skills,” says Peter. “I think that's probably part of a retention strategy that will work for most organisations. Equipping people and enabling them to be upskilled, I think is a significant part of enabling the organisation to be high performing, too.” 2. Set clear, meaningful goals Organisations shouldn’t approach this challenge by thinking about how much more they can squeeze out of their workforce. Instead, Jennie advises setting clear and meaningful goals for employees. According to her, these are the environments in which employees truly thrive. 3. Equip your team for success To drive higher performance, employees need to be properly equipped for the job at hand. However, the ‘right tools for the job” may differ from employee to employee, depending on age or experience. Sharon says, “I guess the role of leaders there is to have a much greater understanding of what the potential expectations of work are today, but also in the medium-term future.”  
Peter says: “One: be employee obsessed. And two: in order to face the change environment that we're all going to have to deal with, we need to get comfortable with being uncomfortable.” Humayun says: “I think you have to be truly authentic in all parts of your processes and all parts of communication. So, then the people that join you join for the right reasons and then you grow together. And I think if you grow together, you don't have that revolving door of people leaving every couple of years and costing you lots of money.” Jennie says: “Think about your people as individuals and then really listen to them. Let the employees guide us as organisations in terms of the way that we navigate this difficult time ahead.” Sharon says: “Flexibility. We don't know what's coming down the road. But if we ensure we have the right decision-making processes, technologies, and so on, we can adapt when it does happen, because the future is on its way.” For more insights on the future of work, visit the Robert Half blog or read the free report now.